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Dog owners, please give me your opinion on this GSD breeder in Australia (more infomration)!?

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James


Hey guys sorry for reposting but I'll keep my other question alive so you can still get two points for your contributions (by the way they were great answers).

This is the same breeder but with more information from "Australia's pure breed dog community" wesbite.

http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/member.asp?name=KASSAAR

Thank you for answering.
Verulam - yeah true but in the past I've done it before and most of the time people don't get back to me! :) but yes I'll certainly go pay the breeder a visit.

Jojo - thanks Jojo, I'll defiantly keep on researching other GSD breeders in my state.



Answer
Don't go thinking that "we aim for a good temperament" is the same as "our dogs ARE well-tempered". One of the studs they've used has a reputation for over-aggression (he is alleged to have tried to attack a person or pooch at something like a GSD National about 3 years ago; a friend bought a daughter of his and the pup tried, in the middle of a small town, to attack a person she was happy to be friendly with when at home - so the pup went back to the breeder, and apparently finished up with an unsuspecting pet-owner. At this year's NZ GSD National 2 of her siblings were graded Excellent, a dog by the same stud but from a different kennel was also graded Excellent).
And nowhere in your question is there anything about what YOU want to be able to do with your pooch. The GSD is the world's most versatile breed - but most pooches registered as GSDs are deviations from the International Standard of the GSD:
http://www.fci.be/uploaded_files/166g01-en-sv.doc
and far from versatile. So the parents & grandparents of the pup you choose MUST have qualifications that suit what you want.
Never forget that a kennel web-site is an ADVERTISEMENT. Would you choose between a Ford & a Holden by just what is in the Ford ads and what's in the Holden ads???

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/search.html?q=+KASSAAR&index_in=All&results_in=25&dog_breed=german_shepherd_dog
will give your the photo-pedigrees of the 7 individuals currently listed in the pedigreedatabase
Typing KASSAAR into
http://www.rhosyngsd.com/modules.php
(which is purely for GSDs in Ozzie) will give you a bit of information about 5 of the GSDs in their first litter, 1 in their second litter.

My Queensland contacts have either dropped out of breeding or managed to escape into NSW (just as my maternal grandmother escaped from Tasmania to Sydney to NZ, and my f.i.l. and m.i.l. escaped from Queensland to NZ), and Kassaar didn't exist when I was keeping track of Ozzie kennels (I live on the better side of "the ditch"), so I can't tell you about the breeders, except that they seem to be rather new, have apparently abandoned their initial bloodline and moved on to importing a couple of pooches from Austria & Croatia and are mating them to popular noble-line studs.

The sire of my current pup: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=1325022 comes from WA.

I DON'T like it that the listings in the pedigreedatabase have not yet had any hip & elbow scores recorded, have not been Breed Surveyed, do not yet have any character or trainability certificates listed.
In Australia, GSDs cannot have litters registered UNLESS both patents have acceptable hip & elbow scores, and either have a haemophilia negative certificate or have a pedigree that was all Australian-bred from haemophilia-negative stock. Sons of imported bitches, and sons of daughters of imported bitches, have to get that haemophilia-negative clearance for themselves.
And only Breed Surveyed GSDs are eligible for an Excellent grading in Australia.

www.kassaar.com/ and www.kassaar.com/breeding/about.php show that they are a very commercial set-up (I prefer breeders to NOT make their living from pets, keeping their dogs as a hobby, not a retail business).

If there is a particular litter you are interested in, check out the hip & elbow statistics for the males in the litter's 3 or 4 generation pedigree (bitches rarely have enough xrayed offspring to be worth doing an analysis for, so the GSDCAu doesn't bother with bitches). It is the WORST score produced that is important. Click: http://www.gsdcouncilaustralia.org/entrypage.htm
hover over: GSDCA Schemes
and click on: Hip & Elbow Schemes
then do a lot of reading or scroll down to the set of hotlinks that take you to the results of the analyses

Add
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/The_GSD_Source/
to your browser, so that you can easily look up all sorts of information about dogs, especially GSDs.
Its first Message shows the information I require if I have to visit a breeder's web-site. Have you seen Kassaar's Guarantee and any Contract they require you sign?

To discuss GSDs, join some groups such as
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/GSD_Friendly
The people in them KNOW about GSDs. Plus you can include actual photos in your posts, unlike the clunky mechanism that stingy Y!A provides.
If you want to read MY pup's escapades, and her misdeeds when I don't pay enough attention, search its Messages for "The Beagirl" and start from the oldest such message.

Max the real McCoy - first pup in 1950; GSD breeder & trainer as of 1968

Dog owners, please give me your opinion on this GSD breeder in Australia.?




James


I'll be buying a GSD sometime next year and currently looking for breeders, what attracted me to this breeder is that they aim to breed well tempered GSDs... which is what I'm after.

http://www.kassaar.com/breeding/index.php

Thank you for answering and visiting the site.
!There is no reason for Ignorance !call a vet! - oh at the top mate there's home, about, testimonials, breeding ect... you can select on one of those.
hey all I found them through this - http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/breeders/german-shepherd-dog.asp?state=QLD&Submit=Go

What do you think of this website?



Answer
Don't go thinking that "we aim for a good temperament" is the same as "our dogs ARE well-tempered". One of the studs they've used has a reputation for over-aggression (he is alleged to have tried to attack a person or pooch at something like a GSD National about 3 years ago; a friend bought a daughter of his and the pup tried, in the middle of a small town, to attack a person she was happy to be friendly with when at home - so the pup went back to the breeder, and apparently finished up with an unsuspecting pet-owner. At this year's NZ GSD National 2 of her siblings were graded Excellent, a dog by the same stud but from a different kennel was also graded Excellent).
And nowhere in your question is there anything about what YOU want to be able to do with your pooch. The GSD is the world's most versatile breed - but most pooches registered as GSDs are deviations from the International Standard of the GSD:
http://www.fci.be/uploaded_files/166g01-en-sv.doc
and far from versatile. So the parents & grandparents of the pup you choose MUST have qualifications that suit what you want.
Never forget that a kennel web-site is an ADVERTISEMENT. Would you choose between a Ford & a Holden by just what is in the Ford ads and what's in the Holden ads???

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/search.html?q=+KASSAAR&index_in=All&results_in=25&dog_breed=german_shepherd_dog
will give your the photo-pedigrees of the 7 individuals currently listed in the pedigreedatabase
Typing KASSAAR into
http://www.rhosyngsd.com/modules.php
(which is purely for GSDs in Ozzie) will give you a bit of information about 5 of the GSDs in their first litter, 1 in their second litter.

My Queensland contacts have either dropped out of breeding or managed to escape into NSW (just as my maternal grandmother escaped from Tasmania to Sydney to NZ, and my f.i.l. and m.i.l. escaped from Queensland to NZ), and Kassaar didn't exist when I was keeping track of Ozzie kennels (I live on the better side of "the ditch"), so I can't tell you about the breeders, except that they seem to be rather new, have apparently abandoned their initial bloodline and moved on to importing a couple of pooches from Austria & Croatia and are mating them to popular noble-line studs.

The sire of my current pup: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=1325022 comes from WA.

I DON'T like it that the listings in the pedigreedatabase have not yet had any hip & elbow scores recorded, have not been Breed Surveyed, do not yet have any character or trainability certificates listed.
In Australia, GSDs cannot have litters registered UNLESS both patents have acceptable hip & elbow scores, and either have a haemophilia negative certificate or have a pedigree that was all Australian-bred from haemophilia-negative stock. Sons of imported bitches, and sons of daughters of imported bitches, have to get that haemophilia-negative clearance for themselves.
And only Breed Surveyed GSDs are eligible for an Excellent grading in Australia.

www.kassaar.com/ and www.kassaar.com/breeding/about.php show that they are a very commercial set-up (I prefer breeders to NOT make their living from pets, keeping their dogs as a hobby, not a retail business).

If there is a particular litter you are interested in, check out the hip & elbow statistics for the males in the litter's 3 or 4 generation pedigree (bitches rarely have enough xrayed offspring to be worth doing an analysis for, so the GSDCAu doesn't bother with bitches). It is the WORST score produced that is important. Click: http://www.gsdcouncilaustralia.org/entrypage.htm
hover over: GSDCA Schemes
and click on: Hip & Elbow Schemes
then do a lot of reading or scroll down to the set of hotlinks that take you to the results of the analyses

Add
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/The_GSD_Source/
to your browser, so that you can easily look up all sorts of information about dogs, especially GSDs.
Its first Message shows the information I require if I have to visit a breeder's web-site. Have you seen Kassaar's Guarantee and any Contract they require you sign?

To discuss GSDs, join some groups such as
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/GSD_Friendly
The people in them KNOW about GSDs. Plus you can include actual photos in your posts, unlike the clunky mechanism that stingy Y!A provides.
If you want to read MY pup's escapades, and her misdeeds when I don't pay enough attention, search its Messages for "The Beagirl" and start from the oldest such message.

Max the real McCoy - first pup in 1950; GSD breeder & trainer as of 1968




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